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May 13, 2009

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Raza

Couldn't agree with you more, Linda. As usualv- great post.

Anthony

"Capital owners benefit, but everybody else loses when countries' ability to raise appropriate revenues from the business sector is undermined by tax competition"

- Very well said.

Taxrascal

This creates a pretty interesting issue: where do companies want to put their international headquarters? If they locate it anywhere but the US, they pay taxes based on the business they do wherever they do business; if they locate their headquarters in the US, they pay taxes to the US no matter where they do business.

The supply of labor in the US is good, but it's not *that* good. The result of this kind of behavior is that we all get to feel good about a smaller and smaller number of companies paying their fair share.

(Also, you should avoid using "free marketarian" in quotes, unless you're quoting something they said. If someone wrote that "A Taxing Matter writes from an "anti-business" perspective," for example, it would imply that you identify as an anti-business person, which I don't think you do.)

LindaMBeale

Well, Tax Rascal, I think you are oversimplifying in two ways: 1) by assuming that the US worldwide tax system results in more taxes (there is some evidence of US MNEs actually reducing their taxes on US source income because of their global activities) and 2) by disregarding the advantages that US MNEs have by virtue of their US headquarters--as noted in the postings.

Nonetheless, we cannot deny the problem of tax competition--if countries lower taxes in order simply to create inefficient moves of companies from one jurisdiction to another (perhaps even moves in form but not substance), that is unproductive but permits the company to avoid tax, unless there is a counteraction. but the fact of tax competition just means that countries should cooperate to eliminate tax competition; it does not mean that tax competition is a good idea.

I think your stylistic inferences from the use of quotes are too limited--in fact, quotes around a phrase can carry a variety of meanings and are not limited, by any means, to direct quotations. I intended here the stylistic use indicating that the phrase is one that I have invented for describing the ideological approach that is similar to what others mean when they use the label "Reaganomics". But if it confuses, maybe I'll adopt a different style anyway.

DFMahey

"...the average effective tax rate on large US corproations (sp?) that do pay tax is substantially lower than the 39.25% ...."

Linda- I think what would be beneficial to me and possible other readers would be a citation like how did you come up with that fact.

LindaMBeale

Hi DF. There is much data that is public on the IRS website in the IRS statistics of income publications. You'll want to look at the latest corporate one, and you can come up with various interesting statistics.

DFMahey

Linda, I realize there is "much data that is public on the IRS Website..." but if you are going to make a statement of fact you need to be able to support it. I can't find what your support is on the IRS website. At a minimum hyperlink the reference that you make. After all, you are not stating an opinion but relying on your own statement as a fact to reach your key conclusion. I am sure you caution your students on similar types of errors.

LindaMBeale

DF--most readers of my blog know that they can find additional information on this in various postings about the various ways that people have tried to assess the relative tax burden of US corporations. See, e.g., "Studies on Corporate Taxes", at http://ataxingmatter.blogs.com/tax/2008/10/studies-on-corporate-taxes.html. As I noted, the IRS statistics of income provide income on corporations by various categories, and anyone can look at particular sectors, types of return or sizes of corporations and calculate from that information the average effective rate. See SOI Tax Stats-Corporation Tax Statistics, at http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/bustaxstats/article/0,,id=97145,00.html.

Raza

Adding to Linda's - another way to gauge the effective tax rate is to go directly the firm's SEC filed 10K or annual reports. For example on page 13 of CAT 10K - it can be seen that CAT's effective tax rate dropped from 32% in 2007 to just 24% in 2008. There are additional adjustmens one can perform as Linda has correctly pointed out. There are several agressive strategies that firms engage in from time to time. Linda has written on it quite a bit in her previous posts.

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