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July 13, 2009

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r. willis

at some point we have to consider whether "growth" should be an end in itself. unless growth is built on an unlimited resource, it must somehow be at the expense of someone else.

LindaMBeale

Good point. Economists of all stripes seem to take growth as a must-have and then most neglect fairness in thinking about how to go about getting it. Not only do we need to think about the mechanisms we permit for increasing growth, but also we need to consider whether we should (or even can) always increase growth. And this is tied with notions of what is required for a sustainable economy, sustainable democracy, and sustainable resources. How much population growth can the planet sustain, while still affording a decent quality of life?

These are all questions that should be taken seriously, rather than cast aside to place over all the mantra of "growth is good" (a little like the accompanying mantra of "greed is good").

peter

Linda,

People aren't equal, therefore, attempting to force income equality is both artificial and futile.

No matter how hard you fight this, there will always be some people who are more athletic, better looking, smarter, more energetic, more honest, more responsible, more charismatic than others.

These people, generally, make more money.

Oh, and I am willing to relinquish my built-in, unearned white male advantage as soon as Shaquille O'Neal stops being tall and Brad Pitt stops being good looking.

LindaMBeale

Nobody --certainly not I--ever claimed people were equal. But I do claim that we cannot have a sustainable democracy (not to mention a sustainable environment and economy) if we continue to redistribute upwards. Instead our policies ought to move us towards egalitarianism--we won't get there, but we'll be a lot closer than we'll ever get with the current corporate welfare policies.

Jack

The issue isn't income equality. The problem is the grossly disparate distributions of income which arises from an imbalance of power in both the control of the government and the markets.

LindaMBeale

well, it is both, actually. The grossly disparate distribution of income creates huge power imbalances. We ought to be moving towards equality (we won't ever get there, of course) rather than away from it. If we remind people that there is nothing inherently good about income inequality, it somehow makes it easier for them to understand the need to interfere with the "normal" distribution patterns which are basically those that have claiming more for themselves and not giving a d___ about anybody else.

Jack

When I say that the issue is not income equality I am simply acknowledging that it is unrealistic to expect same. I am emphasising the need to focus on the grossly uneven distribution of income that exists and that the power imbalance that both stems from such an imbalance and also leads to an even greater imbalance
of income distribution.

LindaMBeale

ah, then I agree

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