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July 08, 2009

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DFMahey

"Now, most tax academics know that those penalties are still low. You need penalties equal to about 1800% times the tax liability to have an impact in terms of discouraging likely shelter transactions,..."

How did you come up with this or is this just rhetoric?

LindaMBeale

I thought I explained the logic (which is probably in several of the introductory texts on tax). If there are very few audits (and there are--far fewer than 5% of returns are audited) and if aggressive or fraudulent positions aren't always caught at audits (which they are not), then you'd have to expect a penalty the one out of 20 times that you do get caught that is as much as you would have paid if you had been caught every single time for it to be much of a deterrent. Since otherwise, you will still win even if you get caught and pay the piper that 1 out of 20 times.

DFMahey

Linda,
I can appreciate your passion in highlighting tax abuses as much as any concerned taxpayer but I find your posts humorous at times at how you attempt to tighten your logic in making an argument using anecdotal evidence. Simply put your post is really grasping at air.

What you are arguing against is simply an attempt by the IRS to address an error in the broad and strict reach of the penalty provision. Keep in mind that the 6707A penalty provision has been criticized by many non-partisan groups including the Small Business Council of America, the American Bar Association Section of Taxation, and National Taxpayer Advocate, Nina Olson. The problem is due to the harshness of the law because it imposes strict liability, furthermore it must be imposed by IRS and cannot be rescinded under any circumstances and it cannot be appealed in court. The real problem is that it applies without regard to whether the taxpayer has knowledge that the transaction has been listed, whether the transaction is reported correctly on the taxpayer's return or whether the taxpayer derived little or no tax savings from the transaction.
Finally, the IRS Commissioner made it pretty clear that his letter to Congress relates only to certain taxpayers who were caught up in a penalty regime in a way that the legislation did not intend. He wasn’t arguing to eliminate the statute, in fact he stated that taxpayers employ abusive tax shelters in an attempt to avoid paying tax remains “sound and critically important” to IRS.

LindaMBeale

DF
I'm not sure that the fact that the Small Business Council, the ABA, and/or Nina Olson object to the strict liability penalty is a telling reason to eliminate it, even for those (as noted) to whom the suspension is directed, who garner tax benefits less than the penalties that apply. High strict liability penalties in an area where there has been significant and intentional noncompliance is not a bad idea per se. Yes, strict liability makes it hard on the taxpayer and requires that the taxpayer (and tax advisers) better inform themselves about the law. Yes, strict liability penalties at high levels will hit those who are doing less significant deals (or who don't even know that they are doing a listed transaction) particular hard. You may disagree with me in thinking that we need harsher penalties in order to reinstate more respect for the law in this area, but it is not "grasping at air" to argue that severe problems require such solutions.

Certainly every tax practitioner has seen the attitude prior to the advent of the reportable transaction rules, which was essentially an expectation that penalties would hardly ever apply (the "good faith" affirmative defense relied on as a "get out of jail free" card) and that what penalties were there were so small as to be not worth taking into account. Strict liability penalties are a strong answer to that problem.

My post made clear that the IRS's suspension (and plans for changing the statute) applied to those whose tax benefits were less than the applicable penalty. You apparently think that there will be too many "innocent" taxpayers caught by that, who will have, say, $90,000 of tax benefit from entering into a listed transaction and failing to report it, and that they shouldn't have to pay a $100,000 penalty. I will certainly agree that one of the things that makes strict liability penalties harsher is that they apply whether or not the person had "bad intent", I'm not convinced that the negatives are sufficient to merit changing the penalty for these cases where the tax benefit is less than the penalty. Sure, there is more concern when the taxpayer is intentionally engaging in a multimillion dollar tax benefit scam. But being softer on the smaller fry is still not necessarily a good idea. There is a pervasive norm of tax avoidance that I think has to be addressed, else more and more taxpayers will begin to treat compliance as a not-too-important goal.

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